Observations from EuroSTAR 2011: Looking to the Future

27 November, 2011

I intend to write a few blog posts over the coming weeks following on from my experiences at EuroSTAR 2011 in Manchester. I want to start with a post addressing the general theme from the keynotes and my own thoughts on the matters raised.

The Speakers’ Views on The Future of Software Testing (with a few comments from me)

A recurring topic of conversation was the ‘death of software testing’. I do not think that software testing is dead at all – if anything it is growing in importance. Speedy information dissemination will become more important as project teams become better at agile practices.

This is where skilled Exploratory Testing comes into play. Note that word – skilled – testing is a highly skilled craft and not everyone has the mindset to apply those skills.

The first keynote on Tuesday, from Richard Sykes, told us that ‘quality assurance’ is all about giving management confidence in the product or service being produced. I dislike the term ‘quality assurance’ because I do not believe we ‘assure’ anything – that is the programmers’ job. To me testing is all about finding information and passing that on to the relevant decision makers for them to draw their own conclusions.

Gojko Adzic, in his keynote on Tuesday afternoon, made a very important point: he said that we run the risk of losing a very good tester and gaining a very poor coder if we insist on testers coding.

In his keynote on Wednesday morning, James Whittaker, from Google, disagreed and told us that at Google ‘Tester’ has disappeared from people’s job titles. People who were ‘testers’ are now ‘developers’ and are expected to code regularly. I feel this is a dangerous path to go down: developers and testers think about things differently. In my experience developers find different problems to testers and both are needed.

Wednesday afternoon’s keynote told the story of Deutsche Bank’s use of communities. Daryl Elfield explained how groups were formed in various parts of the world for the various divisions within the company. It had nothing to do with testing and was all about people making changes in a centralised way: people could not go off and build their own communities – they were joined to a community by management.

Ben Waters from Microsoft talked to us on Thursday morning about how Microsoft creates customer value through testing and it started off as a very inspirational talk. Unfortunately it degenerated into testing being a phase.

Isabel Evans talked to us about the work she has been doing at Dolphin Computer Access where she has sought to improve quality processes throughout the organisation to enable better testing. I think we need to be careful not to make testing a ‘process’. Testing is a set of skills; it should happen naturally and not be something that is seen as a nuisance that has to be got through at some stage of the project.

My View of the Future of Software Testing

I see a bright future for software testing which is centred on people, skills, adaptability and passion.

Just as there are many aspects to a project – e.g. the product owner sees some, the developers see others, the infrastructure architects see some and the business users see yet more – so testing within a project has many aspects. We should be using techniques and tools appropriate to the individual project we are working on – and that will change from company to company. We have to adapt to the changing needs of our businesses.

I see different expertise being needed to test comprehensively which is why everybody needs to be involved. Testing is a hard job, though, and requires a lot of skill which needs to be honed and practiced. We need to use those skills to shed light on areas of the project nobody else has seen the significance of. We need to use the rest of the team’s knowledge to help our investigations.

We need to keep enhancing our skills and take responsibility for our own education. Having a network of people we can learn new skills from helps in this. Outside work I have been privileged to work alongside Rosie Sherry, Rob Lambert and Phil Kirkham at the Software Testing Club and the community that has been built up there is incredible.

We need to be passionate about our craft. We should seek out the skills that we need to best serve the projects we are working on. We need to have an interest in making the projects we work on great; do not ignore something you have noticed thinking it is someone else’s problem – bring it to their attention.

I am going to discuss some of the other things I learned at the conference in future posts. Specifically I want to write about automation and performance testing. I hope this generates some comment and discussion from the community!

Test Management Forum – 27 July 2011

27 July, 2011

The thirtieth Test Management Forum took place today (27 July 2011) at Balls Brothers in London, EC3 and as usual there was a varied programme.  The first talk I attended was by Andy Redwood who was telling us about the psychology of testing and what makes a ‘tester’ tick.  Amongst the things Andy was telling us about was the importance of what he called “Social Construction” – how society works in different cultures and the significance of this in today’s global business culture.

Andy also told us how he goes about forming role descriptions and an experiment where he asked people to describe themselves.  He found that the statements so generated fitted into five categories:  Social Role; Personality; Interests and Tastes; Attitudes; and Current State.

An issue I had with Andy’s talk, though, was that he seemed to be adopting a narrow view of testing and appeared to ignore context a lot in what he was saying.  One example of this was that he was describing testing as just being about ‘breaking things’.  There was an assertion that all tests should be designed so that they fail.  The idea behind this, I think, was to mitigate the ‘absence of defects’ fallacy where people claim that the software must be right because there are no defects.  However, what about the different objectives of testing?  What if the objective of testing is to show that a feature works in a particular way?  What if you want to prove that a particular area of functionality is present?  I am not saying that you would not do some detailed tests to make sure that the software is not behaving in certain ways but I think you would major on simply proving the existence or behaviour of the function or feature to start with.

Andy also reminded us, though, that we find it difficult to find more than 30% of our own mistakes when we are proof-reading or checking our own work.  That is why it is very important to have peer reviews and solicit the opinions of others.

After the break I attended a talk by Steve Allott from Electromind entitled “Agile in the large”.  Steve discussed a rebadged incarnation of DSDM (Dynamic Systems Development Methodology) called DSDM Atern which has four underpinning principles:  Process; People; Products; and Practices.

The general consensus of opinion seemed to be that, while it is not impossible, it is difficult to port pure agile practices over to large projects.  Typically this is because on large projects there tends to be challenges such as geographical and cultural separation and much higher numbers of people involved.  It would be difficult, practically, to run a Scrum team with a team of one hundred people for example.

I intend to do some more reading up on DSDM Atern because I know very little about it.

I thoroughly enjoyed the afternoon and my special thanks to Paul Gerrard and Susan Windsor from Gerrard Consulting for organising the event for us.

SIGiST 21 June 2011

21 June, 2011

SIGiST took place on 21 June 2011 in, as usual, the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists in London.

The theme of the day was “What is testing?” and started with an opening keynote from Chris Ambler from Testing Stuff. In his talk he discussed whether we were guardians of quality, innovators, reporters, interpreters or problem solvers.  His conclusion was that we are all five.  In response to a challenge from Fiona Charles (@FionaCCharles) he conceded that testing and quality assurance were two different roles. After this yours truly got to plug http://www.softwaretestingclub.com to delegates and advertise the Testing Planet and local area meetups.

Like Fiona I found myself in agreement with all his other assertions but I really do feel that the role of testing is to act as a beacon highlighting issues to those who actually are in a position to make a release/don’t release decision. I do not believe testers should have responsibility for quality assurance except as part of a wider team. I am part of a Program Team myself so I have a responsibility for helping make a release/don’t release decision but my opinion is just one of several people’s opinions on the matter.

After the mid-morning break we had a short talk from ILEx on their latest on-line training courses and courseware. This was followed by a talk from Neil Thompson (@neilttweet) entitled “The Science of Software Testing”. There were a lot of slides to go with this talk but what I particularly valued were Neil’s slides and explanations on quality being value to some person(s) (quoting Gerry Weinberg) and his descriptions of Exploratory Testing being more than unstructured ad-hoc testing. I found it refreshing to be at a SIGiST conference and having such views expressed so clearly.

I think there was a lot of food for thought from this presentation and I will be looking over my notes again because I suspect I may have missed some of the points that were raised. I find the science behind how we test and the psychology of testing very interesting because it is not true that ‘anyone’ can test so how can we make ourselves better testers? I believe by understanding what makes testers tick we are likely to be able to use these insights in our own education and continuing professional development.

After Neil’s talk, Nathalie Van Delft (@FunTESTic) and Dorothy Graham (@DorothyGraham) co-hosted a Testing Ethics debate during which we debated five statements ‘House of Commons’ style:

  • You can break the law in order to meet your test goals
  • You must always tell the truth
  • You must always be able to use privacy-sensitive data to test
  • A tester may be responsible for acceptance
  • As a tester you should set aside your own standards and values to test thoroughly

It took a question or two for everyone to get into the swing of this but the debate was great fun. It was great to hear the differing views from people of differing testing backgrounds and in the end it all added up to an extremely lively debate.

After breaking for the excellent SIGiST lunch, Andy Glover, @CartoonTester, challenged us all to use word replacement to better understand a quotation from James Bach. [Added after initial publication - thanks for sending it to me, Andy: “Testing is the infinite process of comparing the invisible to the ambiguous so as to avoid the unthinkable happening to the anonymous”].

Following on from this we had a short series of lightning talks from Dot Graham (@DorothyGraham) on ‘What is Coverage?’, Neil Thompson (@neilttweet) on ‘What is Risk’, Nathalie Van Delft on ‘What Else is Testing?’ and Stuart Reid on ‘What is a testing professional?’.  The lightning talk format was great with each talk lasting about 10 minutes. I felt it really suited the after-lunch spot well because with the rapid change-over of speakers you were more jnclined to stay awake. If I were to choose two talks that I particularly enjoyed I would have to go for Dot’s and Neil’s because they are both areas that are close to my heart. Dot’s talk, in particular, struck a nerve because ‘coverage’ is such a misused and misunderstood term frequently bandied about by managers.

Before the afternoon break Stevan Zivanovic (@StevanZivanovic) gave an interesting talk on leadership in an agile context. In particular he focused on how we, as individuals, can and should take responsibility for leadership whether we have ‘manager’ in our job titles or not. He also emphasised that just being obeyed does not constitute being a ‘leader’. Obedience has no place in an agile team was one of his points.

After the break we had our closing keynote from Dot Graham (@DorothyGraham). The subject of this talk was “Things managers think they know about test automation – but don’t”. Many of the pitfalls she identified resonated with me because they are things that I am trying to avoid myself in trying to work with our developers to introduce more test automation into the business.

All in all I thought it was a great conference and I think Bernard Melson did a great job bringing the programme together. Given Bernard’s background there was a fair bit of talk of training and tester education in a formal environment which was understandable. Critically, though, it did not overpower the conference which I had feared it might, initially.

The next SIGiST conference will be in September 2011.

2010: A Pedant’s Review

29 December, 2010

I have been reminiscing this evening about the passing of another year.  It has been a year during which I have learned a great deal about myself and my chosen craft.  Many of my experiences have strengthened my understanding of why certain things work well for me in my situation and why other things don’t work so well.

I have been blogging and tweeting more and more during the year as I have realised that the thought processes I am going through seem to be of interest to others which has both surprised and inspired me further.

One of the subjects which has been giving me a great deal of food for thought has been how we get to understand requirements and a lot of this boils down to the way in which we communicate with each other (as members of development teams) and our customers and other stakeholders in the business.  I gained some insight into how to go about uncovering some of these hidden requirements from outside the software testing field: I went to the Old Bailey (the Central Criminal Court in London is in a building called the Old Bailey for any unfamiliar with the term) and listened to some cases being heard.  I followed this up with a visit to the Royal Courts of Justice which is one of the higher law courts in the English and Welsh legal system.  It was fascinating to me to listen to the proceedings and observe the way questioning was pursued.

The testing community throughout the world has been a tremendous source of encouragement and it has been great to read about the proceedings of the various conferences that have gone on during the year.  I have mainly centred my attendance on the Software Testing Special Interest Group (SIGiST) conferences arranged through the BCS (formerly known as the British Computer Society) and the UK Test Management Forums.  These events have all been very valuable to me in my learning and I am grateful to the SIGiST organising committee and Paul Gerrard of Gerrard Consulting respectively for continuing to arrange these events.

Besides the formally arranged conferences a big thank you must go to Tony Bruce for his sterling work organising the London Tester Gatherings.  What tremendous events these are!  It is great to be able to meet up with fellow testing professionals to discuss our craft in an informl setting.

It has been a privilege during the year to help out with proof-reading and reviewing articles for The Testing Planet, the newspaper produced by the good folks at the Software Testing Club.  Again, this is another vibrant community of testers from all over the world and it has been great to be associated with this.

European Weekend Testing, organised by Anna Baik and Markus Gärtner, has provided a safe place in which to practice the software testing craft.  The missions on a weekly basis have always been challenging and a great way to hone existing skills and learn new ones.  Unfortunately time has not been available to keep these going on a weekly basis but I hope to get along to future sessions whenever I can.  The other weekend I attended a Weekend Testing Americas session hosted by Michael Larsen.  It is a great way to learn from others and become better craftspeople while we are at it.

It was from one of the European Weekend Testing sessions that I realised I needed more help with understanding a technique called ‘Transpection’ which I had read about on James Bach’s website.  I contacted James on Skype to ask for his help and I was able to add that to my armoury for further use.

Through all of these events and activities I have met and chatted online to some amazing people – you all know who you are – thank you for all your support over the past year.  I would like to take this opportunity to wish you all a very happy and prosperous 2011.

Happy testing!

The Testing Planet – Annual Subscriptions Available Now

21 December, 2010

A great and fun way to advance your education in the software testing craft is to read well written articles by well-respected testers.

The Software Testing Club has introduced an annual subscription priced at £15 for UK residents; £21 for residents in the rest of Europe; and £25 for the rest of the world.

For more information go to http://www.thetestingplanet.com/annual-subscription/ or e-mail thetestingplanet@softwaretestingclub.com.

Digital copies continue to be freely available for download but there is something nice about a printed copy though!

User Experience Testing: Communicating Through the User Interface

20 December, 2010

One of my many interests is how the individual parts of systems – whether they be software-driven or not – communicate with each other.  A lot of time and energy is spent on making sure that the software components work together in different situations but how much time do we devote to making sure that the systems all work together cohesively to form an entire process?  How much time is spent making sure that the process itself can work correctly?

One of the things that I think we need to plan more time for is testing the way humans interact with systems.  I know that this is not easy because time is short and there is a lot of pressure to make sure the computer software side of the system is working correctly – the rest can be handled with training so the argument goes – but I think as testers we should keep bringing the human side of systems to the table in meetings and discussions about the projects we are involved in.

The human side of systems is something that ‘just happens’ when everything is going well but when it all goes wrong the results can be spectacular.  My favourite example of this is the London Heathrow Terminal 5 opening debacle.  A lack of familiarity by staff and passengers about car park locations led to baggage build up because the people were not in place at the right times to move bags around the baggage system.  This in turn caused a heavy load on the baggage belts leading to a failure of the automated baggage delivery system and so on…  Testers, as the eyes and ears of a project, should be vigilant for situations that no-one else has thought of and raise them.  Of course it is possible that the testers on this project had asked these questions and nothing was done about mitigating the risks, but everybody did seem to be taken by surprise at the turn of events on T5’s opening day…

Let’s move on now to another aspect of human-computer interaction: messages and warnings.  I am sure we have all been bemused by the sight of an error message that just says: “An error occurred.” However, put yourself in a user’s shoes for a moment and think about how you would react to seeing the following (I have pulled this from my Application Event Log but the text is pretty much as I  remember it appearing on screen in the form of an error message):

Faulting application name: OUTLOOK.EXE, version: 12.0.6539.5000, time stamp: 0x4c12486d

Faulting module name: olmapi32.dll, version: 12.0.6538.5000, time stamp: 0x4bfc6ad9

Exception code: 0xc0000005

Fault offset: 0x00051c7c

Faulting process id: 0x1a18

Faulting application start time: 0x01cb9c9e50018c07

Faulting application path: C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office12\OUTLOOK.EXE

Faulting module path: c:\progra~1\micros~2\office12\olmapi32.dll

Report Id: 0c733b39-0896-11e0-b5bf-00197ed8b39d

The practice of delivering such ‘techie’ messages to end users is common-place but in my opinion it is a bad approach.  Receiving messages like this is completely bewildering for novice computer users who are likely to panic and do something that really messes things up.  In my case I knew that it was an add-in that I had installed which was incompatible with Outlook 2007 and did not panic – I understood what I had to do and I got on with it but it made me think of my less experienced friends and colleagues and how disconcerting such a message would be for them.

Let me give you another example from my Application Event Log:

The application (Microsoft SQL Server 2005, from vendor Microsoft) has the following problem: After SQL Server Setup completes, you must apply SQL Server 2005 Service Pack 3 (SP3) or a later service pack before you run SQL Server 2005 on this version of Windows.

I would like to encourage you all to think carefully about the wording of error messages and warning that are displayed to users.  The above is not a ‘problem’ at all; I need to do something else before I can run SQL Server 2005 and there is no cause for alarm.  It might be argued that someone seeking to use SQL Server 2005 is bound to be a competent computer user and therefore does not need much help but I beg to differ.  I might have been given a task to do for which I am completely out of my depth and I do not need to be panicked further.

There is a fine balance to be reached between being able to give enough information so support professionals and developers can debug and understand how to fix a problem (which Microsoft may have done with their message from Outlook above – assuming they are all well versed in hexadecimal) and being informative to users.

If we get the user experience right we stand a much better chance of designing and implementing a system which really does work efficiently because people will not be wasting countless hours trying to understand cryptic messages coming back from the system; they will be less frustrated; and everyone will have a better perception of the system and the organisation that is using it.

I was in a supermarket a few weeks ago and I heard the remark from a fellow customer that “there are always problems at the tills here – nobody seems able to work them”.  Standing in the queue I could see where that perception would come from: two till operators and a supervisor were needed to make sense of a message that had come up on the screen.  Testers should be making more noise about human-computer interaction and user experience problems that they can foresee for the future good of our craft.

This is an area that I am striving to get better at and I hope there are other testers out there who give serious consideration to the user experience they are giving in their systems.

SIGiST 8 December 2010

9 December, 2010

The final SIGiST (Special Interest Group in Software Testing) conference took place yesterday in London and, as usual, was well worth attending.  The theme for the day was “Keynotes – Six of the best” and consisted of talks only on this occasion: six keynotes and one short talk after lunch.  Unlike other SIGiST conferences I have been to there were no workshops which I always enjoy but I still found the day inspiring.

Four talks stood out for me as being excellent:

Les Hatton from Kingston University gave a brilliant talk in which he cited the systems controlling space shuttles as an example of excellently engineered systems and then went on to talk about systems which “should never have been allowed to see the light of day”.

One of the ‘highlights’ (that should probably read ‘lowlights’) included the story of his passage through Heathrow Airport earlier this year.  He had printed his boarding card at self-check-in but the systems at security could not read the card; SAS (the airline he travelled with) could not issue a new boarding card because he already had one unless he gave them the assurance he was who he said he was (!); he was then unable to get through security because he had two boarding cards…  As if it could not get any worse the public information displays in the departure lounge had crashed.  As a keen traveller I could really identify with Les’ frustrations here!

The final part of Les’ talk encouraged us to focus on systems thinking and take some of our cues from the laws of physics.  Once you find a bug in a particular area of the system you are likely to find more bugs in that same area.  Don’t give up was the message.

Gojko Adzic gave his excellent talk on Specification by Example.  Once again he made very good use of Prezi and encouraged us to use clear and concise language that our colleagues and customers will understand.   Too much time is wasted by misused terminology.  In a later talk mention was made of test cases and test conditions – actually they could both have been referring to the same thing – so why distinguish between them?

As usual Gojko had lots of examples to illustrate the success of the technique.  I find the concept of ‘living documentation’ particularly valuable and I liked the example of customer service staff referring to the tests that had been run to help answer customer queries.  It makes the tests very powerful because each test is directly addressing a particular problem being faced.

In the afternoon Fran O’Hara from Sogeti Ireland gave a talk on Scrum.  Included in the delegate pack for the conference was a Scrum cheat sheet illustrating the different components of a Scrum project and showing how they fit together.  I took it into work today and our Project Manager has found it very helpful. I thoroughly enjoyed Fran’s talk and particularly liked the idea of having two definitions of ‘done’: one definition describes what it means to be ‘potentially shippable’ and the other defines what ‘done’ means in terms of the current sprint.  There are many projects where it is not feasible to produce a potentially shippable product after one or two three-week cycles and this helps to deal with that.

Susan Windsor from Gerrard Consulting finished the day talking about how we develop ourselves and what it means to be a really good tester.  Susan challenged each of us to become testing gurus, super-testers in our organisations.  This will pay dividends because of the tremendous knowledge that we can bring to the table of how our projects are really going whether we are working in a traditional or more agile context.

Susan discussed the certification issue briefly and reminded us that although we can get a sense of achievement out of having a certificate one of the biggest problems with certification is the fact that it is used as a screening mechanism by people who really know very little (if anything) about testing when hiring staff.  Personally, I would add that the syllabus is too restricted in its scope and is based on very traditional testing processes which have been shown to be less efficient than the agile methods being adopted more and more.

Other talks included a career progression report from Erkki Poyhonen where he experienced a paradigm shift without a clutch (cue a Dilbert cartoon), a report of an entity-relationship modelling exercise for testing effectiveness from John Kent and a short talk from Geoff Thompson on the things that have influenced him in testing.

As always the day ended in the Volunteer where I enjoyed continuing chatting to fellow testers about our exciting craft.  The best thing for me about SIGiST is the networking and getting to know other testers.  As a result of attending these and other conferences I have built up a network of people with whom I communicate regularly and it has really expanded by knowledge of my chosen craft.  I would encourage everyone to get involved with testing conferences in their various locations because together we can learn a tremendous amount.

Transpection Explored

6 December, 2010

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I had a great learning experience last night.  Those of you who were at the European Weekend Testers session or who have read my write-up of the session (here) will know that I attempted a technique called Transpection which I had read about previously at http://www.satisfice.com/blog/archives/62.

I was not very happy with my attempt: it just did not feel right.  One of the great things about Weekend Testing sessions is that you can try new things in an environment where it does not really matter and everything becomes part of the learning process.

I decided to solicit the help and advice of James Bach to see where I went wrong and understand what I should have been doing so contacted him on Skype.  He readily agreed to help me and demonstrate Transpection for me.  I am publishing the full transcript of that Skype session (see link above) at James’ suggestion because we think it will be of help to other testers.

I have only lightly edited the transcript to put some of the statements into paragraphs to aid readability but the content is all there for you to see.  You will see my own learning process through this and hopefully, for those that want to know more about the technique, understand this really useful aid better.  You will even see where I mistakenly thought James was trying to bring proceedings to a close!

I would like to thank James for his time yesterday evening and for supporting me in this quest.

Feel free to make comments or ask me any questions…

European Weekend Testing – 4 December 2010

4 December, 2010

Due to various commitments over recent months I have not been as regular an attendee at the Weekend Testing sessions as I would have liked.  However the session this afternoon was a great one to come back on.

Our mission was to devise a ‘cheat sheet’ to be used by Helpdesk staff to help them improve the quality of their defect reports.  A lot of questions were asked to clarify what the problems were at the moment, what sort of environments the Helpdesk staff had available to them, whether there were any language issues to be considered, etc.

Ajay Balamurugadas (http://www.enjoytesting.blogspot.com/ and http://twitter.com/ajay184f) suggested working on this in teams and I had the pleasure of working with him during the course of the afternoon.  We quickly got down to drafting our cheat sheet, starting off by each typing our ideas for what should go into the sheet using a brilliant tool which I had not seen before, http://typewith.me, which allowed us to both work on the same document and see what each of us was doing in realtime.

Ajay asked me to note down the sort of information that I would ask for if he called me for technical support.  My answers spurred us both on and we became much more productive in thinking up the things that would need to go onto the cheat sheet.  Similarly I asked Ajay about how he deals with severity.  In some ways our conversation reminded me of James Bach and Michael Bolton’s work on Transpection (http://www.satisfice.com/blog/archives/62) which is a technique I am trying to master.  I really need more practice…

We categorised and smartened up the cheat sheet and Ajay prepared it all as a PDF that we could share with the other weekend testers.

Following this we had the de-briefing session which, as always, was as informative – if not more so – than the actual mission itself.  I find I learn so much from hearing about how others have tackled problems and finding out how they have put their knowledge of the testing craft to good use.   We had all taken slightly different approaches depending on how we each viewed the audience and what they were trying to do.  Ajay and I had focussed on the Helpdesk staff writing bug reports but others had concentrated on helping the Helpdesk staff get the right information out of the customer in the first place.

The whole session was really enjoyable.  “Thank you” to Anna Baik for facilitating the session and to all the contributors for their help during the afternoon.  I look forward to joining future sessions as time and circumstances permit.

London Tester Gathering – 2 November 2010

12 November, 2010

I really enjoyed the London Tester Gathering on 2 November.  It was good to finally meet Darren McMillan (http://www.bettertesting.com) after several online conversations and Sharath Byregowda (http://testtotester.blogspot.com/).

Michael Bolton (http://www.developsense.com/blog) gave us a short talk entitled “Burning Issues in Software Testing” which was appropriate with Bonfire Night being just round the corner.  As always this was an inspirational talk full of the Michael Bolton sense of humour which I – and most of the audience – appreciated.

There have been many good blogs on the night including Darren McMillan’s write-up so I will leave my own summary at that.  Can I just say, though, a big “thank you” once again to Tony Bruce for once again organising a great evening.  I am just sorry that I could not stay for longer but I was staying in an unfamiliar part of town overnight.

Until next time…


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